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Prayer Demotivational by bico-kun Prayer Demotivational by bico-kun
I saw this little photo frame in a store, and this immediately came to mind. I always find it so surreal when people talk about how they prayed for someone like they accomplished something. It never occurs to them that it might be a little more productive to actually do something instead of just basically "wishing" it would be better.
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Helixdude Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Oh sorry there little african but i really, really wanna save up for this new 'bike so you'll just have to eat make believe food. Ciao."
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CrystalCritic Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
It's basically the equivalent of saying "Oh, I'll think for you." Or "Fingers crossed you get some food." Maybe you should try making a donation or cooking some food for his starving ass you "prayed for"?
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wolfrulez Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  Student Writer
THANK YOU! Someone who uses their brain. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian who goes to church every Sunday. But every time someone says "Don't worry, we'll pray for them." just makes me go insane. Oh wow! You said a few useless sentences in your head. How about you take two seconds out of your life and sign up for a donation organization?
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, it's pretty annoying.
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SaintsSauce Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually chuckled at this because, I see praying for a live person as a way to 'do' something without actually doing anything and feel good at the same time.
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worldsmixer Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*appluds at your point and gives the kid a bunch of sandwichs without wasting time to pray*
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
What is a sandwich going to do in the long run?
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Some people don't have the luxury of worrying about the long run.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That makes no sense
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, well.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
This reminds me of the "World Vision" group, which is a conservative evangelical christian group posing as a disaster relief group.
In 2012 my friends told me several incidents, on several continents, in which WorldVision groups were buying themselves hummers, handing out a thousand dollars to a real charity group only for the photo opportunity, handing out bibles (and not food), or handing out food ONLY if the children being given food would switch religions and pray aloud to Jesus for thanks.

In the beginning two chapters (I forget which) of Christopher Hitchens' "God is Not Great", he mentions a scientific study of several groups praying or not praying for patients with heart problems. Some of the patients were told they were being prayed-for; some were not. (There were therefore 4 groups:  prayed-for&told, not-prayed-for&told-they-were, not-prayed-for&told, and not-prayed-for-and-told-they-were-not.

There were no differences in medical results. Therefore prayer didn't do a damned thing.

The ones who were told that someone was praying for them differed from the other groups only in their level of disappointment with the results: they wanted better results.

Pbjective tests like this should result in finally getting the pro-prayer idiots to STFU. Prayer is begging to a non-existent invisible secret super santa in the sky. The lack of results is positive proof that there is no god who exists, cares, hears prayers, and intervenes.

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In personal news: in 2013 my Unitarian Universalist minister responded to my claim that prayer's a waste of time, taking up the place where planning and action could be, by wasting the next 4 church meetings with illogical nonsense about how prayer is a good thing.
I stopped going to UU meetings. I might re-start, if they replace the minister with someone who isn't starting from the perspective that he has to sell his prejudice to an unsympathetic, diverse audience.
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I remember that study, actually. It's quite true. Even when people pray and do something, all the prayer does is waste time you could be doing something productive. The only benefit I could possibly see is if it were used as some form of meditation, but I rarely see people who actually use it like that.
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
True. People who claim prayer is good faaar too often pretend we said "meditation" or "planning".

Prayer is NOT meditation, nor is it planning. It's begging to a secret invisible sky santa for help.

If the person on his knees with his hands clasped happens to come up with an idea while begging, it's coincidental... like getting some venison to satisfy your hunger by accidentally driving over a deer while on your way to Disneyland.
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SCC-Venus-Dressed Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my freaking god!!!!! I'm so sorry for accidentally posting this on your thing!!! Ment to post it to another!!!!! =-O :O >_<
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't have a cow, dude, it happens.
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SCC-Venus-Dressed Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay thanks for understanding! :-) 
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SCC-Venus-Dressed Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my freaking god  do they diss america!!!!! So mean!!!!!! Made me cry....:'( :-( 
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Lyra-Elante Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The same people who say they will pray for you are also twice as likely to donate money to a charity than an atheist. Atheists just don't care enough to do ANYTHING. Just look at the number of atheist charities and hospitals compared to Christian ones.
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's false. First, there are many secular charities run by members of the atheist community. Second, many religious charities have conversion as their main mission, so most (if not all) of the money that doesn't go toward paying for some pastor's mansion and Porsche goes toward getting poor people Bibles or encouraging them to practice unsafe sex rather than what they really need. Third, you may not realize this but the religious have outnumbered the nonreligious by a fairly decent margin for a long time, to the point where not long ago (and this is still true in some places) people could be put to death for not believing in the majority's god, and because of this religious people are naturally going to have a lot more resources for charity purposes. You're looking at it a bit backward on that point, kind of like if I said that because more scientists are nonreligious than the general population that means that being nonreligious makes you smarter. In any case, many atheists give to religious charities just because there are so many and they tend to be more entrenched (for reasons above), and unlike many religious don't make a big deal about doing it because they're atheist (because they don't, they do it for the reason most people actually do it; because they're charitable people). It's been my experience that people who express platitudes like the above are no more likely, if not less likely, than those who don't to actually do something.
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Lyra-Elante Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Uh, one, how does giving to CHARITIES pay for preacher's luxuries? Those are tithes and not all preachers are like that, only the most corrupted ones. Secondly, most tithes go towards things like soup kitchens and food pantries. As for encouraging teens to have unsafe sex, you care to notice that ever since sex education has been around teaching about safe sex, teen pregnancies have boomed. Christians encourage ABSTINENCE until marriage while atheists encourage teens to have as much sex as possible with as many partners as they want under the assumption that birth control and condoms are 100% effective. As for atheist charities, they only cater to other atheists, such as that one group who gave this girl a scholarship for raising a fuss about a mural of Jesus being up in her school that had been there for decades. I have never heard of a Christian charity turn someone down for their beliefs.
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
"I have never heard of a Christian charity turn someone down for their beliefs."

I have. World Vision is notorious for it. They also have a hiring practice that only allows permanent hires for qualified CHRISTIANS-- any hires of nonchristians is temporary.

You are also ignoring the fact that most charities don't distinguish between spending the income on themselves (infrastructure, salaries, and so on) and money actually spent on the target group. It's almost universal that 95% of contributions to "charities" are spent on the charity group, not on the target group they're pretending to help.

One of the few groups to make that important distinction, by the way, is the Rotary Club International. Contributions to their causes are used only on the target group. Infrastructure is supported through a completely separate fund.

In closing, I ask you, Lyra-Elante, to try googling about charities and the salary paid to their CEOs. You'll find that many CEOs are receiving million-dollar salaries.
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If you ever care to do research, you'll find that very little charity donations go toward the actual cause and, yes, often it goes toward things that are able to be written off as "charity related" but are actually luxuries. Also, it's quite well documented that areas with abstinence only education have the highest teen pregnancy rates. Atheists do not encourage having sex as often as possible. Atheists do not have any kind of consensus on this, but those who are sex positive only say that young people should be well informed enough that IF they choose to have sex they will be as low risk as possible. Also, you appear to have the record of discrimination among secular and religious charities exactly backward. There are certainly foundations that grant awards to people who advance the causes of secularism, but this isn't limited to atheists as many theists are also secularist (meaning those who want to keep the state from endorsing or prohibiting religion, i.e. supporters of the first amendment of the US constitution). Charities specifically geared toward helping the poor, sick, etc. are nondiscriminatory. I know of many cases of religious charities turning away people for not believing the "right" things, however.
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El-Drago-800 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
When these people say "Don't worry, I'll pray for you", what they're basically saying is "I'm not gonna do jack shit for you, but I wanna feel like I am because I care more about stroking my own moral ego than actually giving you the help you need".
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
It's an important distinction that those people are praying for the victim's SOUL-- that is, the selfish concern that their religion is vindicated-- NOT for the recovery and thriving of the victim's vitality.

In other words, someone who says "I'll pray for you" is like a minister spouting words outside a flaming house.
I'd rather employ and praise the fireman who comes in to save my body, thankyouverymuch.
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I see that a lot. I'll respect a person for what they do; not what they say.
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IAmTheUnison Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Indeed. A good meal would do those starving children FAR more good than a freakin' prayer.
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Xeno-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. Prayer never accomplished anything. Suppose the person met the kid and told them "I will pray for you". You know what the kids response would be? "I'm starving and emaciated. Save your breath and give me some food."
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, prayer is useless without action.
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firebreather2536 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Win.
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totheword Featured By Owner May 6, 2012
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. James 2:14-17

so your argument has no point the bible command us to act along with prayer For we believe it is God who gives us the power to do righteous and unselfish acts
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Getting a kid a sandwich can actually work just as well without the prayer.
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tyler9862 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Praying is the start, you need to act on it
words need purpose, and purpose needs action
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
Ummm....no.
Prayer is the wasted space where a start could've been.

You're intentionally not exploring the critical difference between begging for your secret sky santa to help,  and actually planning to help by your own action.

Planning is the start. Not prayer.
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tyler9862 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
1. First off, rude. I didn't say you were wrong, nor did I say anything against you or your beliefs. Now if I respect your beliefs, then usually you should have the same attitude. Making fun of someone's belief isn't the way to get your message across. It actually demotivates your argument and makes you look like an internet tool. Furthermore you don't know if I follow religion or prayer or science. By using the word "your" you have placed an emphasis on my belief (or lack of it) without knowing. You assume as much as the people you despise and speak against. I bet people have assumed things about you for promoting evolution and you probably didn't like it. And yet you have done the same. 

2.I didn't agree or disagree with the statement, I'm just saying that it's not useless "if" you put words into action of planning then action itself. For example: the Peace corp was created by JFK and based on his belief of aiding people in need based upon his religious beliefs as a Catholic. The YMCA (I think the abbreviation explains it's religious influence) is acclaimed to improve many communities in inner cities. American missionaries (again religious influence shown in it's name) are known to aid many countries including the US through Christian principles taught by Jesus. LIFE, MSA, and ISCA help in refugee aid, humanitarian efforts and disaster relief (all founded under Islam). So far it appears that many humanitarian groups were founded on religious beliefs. And where did it all start? A 2 second prayer at most becoming an idea which then becomes a plan. Religion while being a root of many evils also has purpose and better points of human nature. So prayer can be a start. 

3. I agreed with the photo though; everyone shouldn't count on a prayer but go into action. At the same time, prayer is an emotional vocation for most which makes them want to do more. 

4. There are though some inaccuracies with the photo. With humanitarian aid, most of it is regulated or stolen from governments. So unless you can spontaneously generate food for them and yourself; you smuggle it. The person that took the photo used in the frame was part of a program to raise funds for a secular organization. But you can't just give away your food because that would require you to choose who gets fed and who doesn't. Somalia and Syria are currently under investigation by the UN about stolen food aid. So the artist saying "just give him a sandwich" is easier said than done. The Guardian even reported that about 1/2 of food aid sent to countries is stolen. 

My point is: prayer can be a start; it takes energy to make it into an idea then a plan. Praying and not acting is the same as saying you want to help but not doing anything. It's all lost words unless you have some action or influence. 
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
You wrote "Now if I respect your beliefs, then usually you should have the same attitude."

If we were discussing movies or flavors of icecream, sure.
But...we're not. And the poor quality of thought indicated by belief in a myth as improbable as the Pinocchio story isn't worthy of respect.

You wrote, "Making fun of someone's belief isn't the way to get your message across."
Sure it is. Editorial cartooning is built on the idea that making fun of someone's ways is a valid way to undermine belief in those ways.

As for the rest... go rest. I haven't the excess energy to argue with an idiot.
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tyler9862 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You want to know what's really funny...I'm an Atheist. Thanks for contributing to the stereotype of atheists on the internet kid. 

Next, you are intolerant so if anyone blows up in your face about religion; you shouldn't even be mad should you? Or else you're what I would like to call a hypocrite. 

Lastly, I don't have the "excess energy" to argue with your comparison of religion to ice cream or movie opinions. I mean only an idiot would make that statement. I didn't know opinions on ice cream and movies caused wars, movements, or changes in history. But I guess your the expert. But hey only a stereotypical atheist that me and the atheists at my college call a "militaristic atheist" would comment on other people's comments to express an opinion in a fashion much like yours. And what's really fun is you who claim to have no energy to And most of it is tearing people down for their beliefs.  

But hey thanks for contributing to the stereotypes of atheists. Why don't you go on some more art and comment on other people's comment to spread your opinion and tear theirs down like a girl at the bar with herpes. Have a wonderful day. 
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
You're writing with heat, but without internal logic.

And your pigeonholing of me is wrong-- I'm an atheist/agnostic.
I have room for doubt, but no room in my life to waste time on stuff that's so silly, internally inconsistent, and badly abusive as religion.
Having a different opinion about what movie or icecream is a difference of opinion worth tolerating.
Having an opinion about whether I'm goin' to hell based on a stack of dusty old myths as unbelievable as Mother Goose tales...well, that's not thoughts worth respecting.

So when Faux News claims there's a "war on religion" because they're not allowed to pound their Christianity into everyone's face, I get angry and I respond.

Happy holidays.
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tyler9862 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm confused. The person bashing religion snd then talking about getting angry is the one with heat and not internal logic...but me trying to keep you away from the stereotype is the one without internal logic? How about if you want to make a statement you do so based solely on knowledge and without satire or bashing, Doing what you do is known as "fighting fire with fire" which negates any internal logic or history of debates. 

I believe religion is abusive in the hands of the elite. I can say the same about money, oil, and law even. And all the replies you've made to people's comments; not once have I seen them say "you're going to hell" and not every religion preaches of a hell so sadly yes you should be tolerant of a person's beliefs and that usually means respect. As an LGBT supporter and an atheist; I expect tolerance, so I give tolerance. As an atheist or agnostic you should do the same. That's called taking the high road and you'll win the battle in the long run. Some of the most influential leaders of atheist groups are respectful and still deliever a better argument than you and one that has actually won keyy issues for rights of atheists. 

Who brought up Fox News? I'm just saying you're acting immature and feeding into stereotypes. Fox News is so irrevalent to what I'm saying. Hell Fox News is more about a war on Christainity rather than religion. They flip shit on Islam and judaism as much as they do with atheists. And I am asking for tolerance on all religions. Prayer is a universal concept in almost all religions so... and who here in this deviation attacked you or is trying to shove religion down your throat. I mean so far you've been the one to start the issue. The artist of this piece comments with more tolerance and logic than you...and they're ddefending their work. 

Hsppy New Year
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IrkenConfederate Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
To Do List:
1) pray
2) get of my lazy ass and by a sandwich
3) take him to a doctor
4) sit on my lazy ass again
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Really the first item on the list is optional.
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RS-Kyra Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011  Student Photographer
I agree. As I said below, prayer doesn't accomplish anything but a sense of accomplishment.
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PsalmSeven Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
As a Christian, I agree. This is what the Bible says:

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. James 2:14-17
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
You're only half-right.
Prayer without action is useless.
Action without prayer, however, is a fine formula for success.
You've not proved that prayer or faith are necessary.
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bico-kun Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I just wish there were less people who think faith can magically move mountains. I'm sorry, those people object when I say "magically." I meant "miraculously." Still, I have no beef with anyone who acts on their words, just the people who get all proud about praying for good stuff to happen as if it makes any difference to anyone but themselves.
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TillShilohComes Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011
Prayer is powerful. So is Christian generosity. Most aid groups are Christian based, Christians don't just support these causes monitarily, many give their time as well, and or their skills, professions. Even teams right where the want is greatest, pray for God to bless their efforts. Hundreds of thousands of prayers a day have an effect. *PalmSeven is correct & Christians are at the forefront of working for the needs of their brothers and sisters all over the world.
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tyler9862 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't worry; sethness just has no life besides bitching to people on the internet
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sethness Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
You've not proved that "prayer is powerful", or that "thousands of prayers a day have an effect".
Prove it, or stop sayin' it as though it's objective truth.
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PsalmSeven Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: :aww:
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